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How crazy is your spouse?

A sure-fire way to destroy your relationship is to diagnose your partner with a personality disorder or other character disease. Unfortunately, a cottage industry of self-help books exists to encourage you to do just that. Some are written by advocates or "survivors," who describe how you should react to your partner, using incendiary and contemptuous adjectives, such as "congenitally manipulative, opportunistic, cunning, exploitive, wolf in sheep's clothing, etc." Others are written by therapists who psychoanalyze your partner with various interpretations of why he/she makes you feel bad. Both types describe the insidious behavior of the PD, not so much to inform and enlighten as to appeal to the reader's victim-identity and self-righteousness. They typically supplement their superficial descriptions with general symptom checklists, without emphasizing that a preponderance of those - not just a few -- are necessary for a valid diagnosis and that a valid diagnosis must come after careful, objective examination.

These days a book has a good chance of making the best-seller list if it comes up with a new way for the reader to feel like a victim and justify the sense of entitlement that goes with victimhood. Such books allow readers to substitute easy pity for genuine compassion, only to be caught in an inevitable pity-contempt-guilt-pity pendulum of pain.

Unfortunately, it's not just self-help books that contribute to emotional pollution. The desire to hook clients into psychotherapy sometimes overrides the ethics of therapists who diagnose their clients' partners, based entirely on third-party descriptions. I have had more than two dozen couples referred to me in the past year alone who were each diagnosed by their partner's individual therapist with a personality disorder. The most common combination, of course, is a narcissistic man married to a borderline woman, though variations have come from more creative therapists with the temerity to diagnose without examination. In no case were these third-party diagnoses valid or helpful.

Complementary diagnoses have become common because the motivation to diagnose loved ones is neither to understand nor sympathize, but to blame from a position of moral superiority—a powerful driving force in the age of entitlement.

While self-help authors who encourage readers to diagnose their partners are out to sell books, I suspect that many therapists who diagnose without examination are trying to counter the propensity of some clients to blame themselves for the poor behavior of their partners—"It's not your fault!" is the mantra of the poorly trained. But there's little doubt that the utter powerlessness engendered by blaming will keep their hapless clients in treatment for quite some time, to the financial benefit of the therapist.

Personality disorders are extremely complex diagnoses that only a professional should make after thorough examination and testing of the subject, supplemented by interviews with the partner. The diagnosis cannot be made by a self-help book or advocate or by a therapist going exclusively on the highly subjective descriptions of a hurt, distressed, or resentful client.

If you have an urge to diagnose your partner, you cannot at the same time have genuine self-compassion, which would give you insight into your pain, along with motivation to heal and improve; blame neither heals nor improves. Neither can you experience the genuine compassion for your partner that would give you insight into his/her deeper experience, which is necessary to evaluate the possibility that he/she can heal and improve. The urge to diagnose makes you see yourself and other people too superficially to do anything but harm to your relationship.

If you truly believe you are married to a personality disorder, you should leave the relationship before your pity-contempt-guilt-pity pendulum swings make him/her angrier and still harder to live with. However, you would be better served to burn any self-help book and fire any therapist or advocate who diagnoses your partner unseen.

Instead of diagnosing, try to understand your partner's experience of you and of the world. The only way to judge the emotional reality of your relationship is to hold his/her perspective alongside your own. One perspective of your relationship, even when it is right, is incomplete. Relationships must have binocular vision to flourish.

You do not need a diagnosis to evaluate your relationship. All you need to determine whether it is viable and repairable is to feel as much compassion from your partner as you give and to know, through your binocular vision, that your partner sees your perspectives as equal to his/her own.

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Thank you

Thank you SO much for writing this. Another horrible aspect of this is the therapist telling the patient that they will never get better if they don't accept that their partner is personality disordered and leave them. I have been torn apart by such judgements. What I wanted was to be connected to my partner (as we were before), and what I was told was that I was pathological for seeking a connection with a pathological person, and that our previous connection was a delusion I had believed in (induced by my "manipulative" partner of course). And of course doubting this opinion meant I myself was personality disordered.

I stopped seeing that therapist, obviously.


Wow

That’s worse than most. If your therapist used those words, especially without examining your husband, you might consider an ethics complaint to his/her licensing board. In this era of emotional pollution, I have heard so many horror stories of therapists playing out their own emotional agendas on the backs of their clients.

Having said that, be sure that you can feel as much compassion from your husband as you give and that he gets your perspective as much as you get his.


Where to find good therapy

Any information on how to chose a good therapist and where to find one? Is there a network of therapist that use your material or very similar material. How about emotionally focused couple therapy?


Most are good therapists

I think most therapists do not act out their own emotional agendas and would never diagnose a partner without examination. As for schools of therapy, Emotionally Focused is one of the best.


Therapy Gone Wild!

I would LOVE to create a website called “Therapy Gone Wild” where we poor overanalyzed victims could list the name of the therapist, amount of time (i.e. years) spent with that therapist--and how much money was spent and actually ending up in worse shape than before walking into their office to begin with! Kind of like Warning! Warning! Danger Will Smith; you are treading on dangerous territory! Dr. Stosny your Compassion Power approach should be a requirement for any therapist as part of their curriculum!


Therapy Gone Wild!

I would LOVE to create a website called “Therapy Gone Wild” where we poor overanalyzed victims could list the name of the therapist, amount of time (i.e. years) spent with that therapist--and how much money was spent and actually ending up in worse shape than before walking into their office to begin with! Kind of like Warning! Warning! Danger Will Smith; you are treading on dangerous territory! Dr. Stosny your Compassion Power approach should be a requirement for any therapist as part of their curriculum!


Create the Website

Therapists need to be accountable. Our clients come to us in vulnerable positions that are easily abused. Go for it!


Thank you Dr. Stosny for

Thank you Dr. Stosny for uncovering some of the grave problems with bringing psychology into difficult relationships. It sometimes seems to me that Psychology is the "science of blame." One marriage therapist (a psychiatrist) met with my separated husband (before he left me) without me knowing it and the two of them determined that it was not only me but actually my dad who the cause of some of my husband's behaviors. It seems like anything goes when people are trying to get out from the oppressiveness of guilt. Whatever happened to the idea of taking responsibility for one's life?

As far as diagnosing one's partner's illness, I think it is wise to recommend caution. However, we are in the information age. With the aid of the computer, people are doing more and more things without expensive professionals. I have seen this in publishing, finance-investing/taxes and with legal needs too. A friend of mine just made her will on-line for a tiny fee. I bought divorce financial planning software for much less than an hour's time with a divorce attorney. I plan to do much work myself before having the attorney review and hopefully improve it. The same thing is happening with the field of Psychology--especially since so many psychologists and psychiatrists are failing to truly help people for a reasonable fee within a reasonable amount of time. Actually, I would never have found Dr. Stosny without my efforts to gain insight into the distressing situation I found myself in. I first heard about him while browsing through books on Amazon.

While some may use the information they find in a cruel way against their partners, I think in general, doing research can help a person make good decisions. I don't think that looking into emotional problems that a partner is having and trying to give order to some of the pieces of the puzzle by putting possible labels on the behavior (not the person) shows a lack of lack of self-compassion. In my research, I discovered that some people who are in abusive relationships and/or have alcohol issues unfortunately do have some symptoms that are similar to those who psychologists perhaps might diagnose with a personality disorder. But, what I found was that for a diagnosis of a personality disorder the behavior patterns had to be of long duration--at least from the time of adolescence or early adulthood (according to the American Psychiatric Association). Also, the behaviors cannot be better accounted for by another disorder e.g. the suicide threats can't be resulting from depression, the impulsive behavior cannot be from an alcoholic binge or a head injury. I also learned that people suffering from mental illnesses and/or alcoholism often don't think they have a problem and will resent you for thinking they do--especially if you show them a checklist of behaviors. (This was not learned from a book!!--oops!).

I find it is best for me to look at very specific unacceptable behaviors and determine what I can do to stop the damage. I like the expressions: "It is not about 'who's right,' it is about 'what's right," and "focus on principles not personalities." Anyway, I wish everyone the best in their search for better living.


Congratulations on the

Congratulations on the amount of healing you have accomplished. It is no easy fete.

One of the many problems of partners diagnosing each other is that they will, through confirmation bias, find what they look for. If you found your husband on a symptom checklist, chances are he believes he can find you on another, if not the same one. You will both get defensive and angry when the list is shown to you because you will feel as though you are reduced to a collection of symptoms which really do not have that much meaning in the amount of love and compassion you show one another. Self-compassion leads you to understand that you are not being as loving and compassionate as you want to be. It will motivate either being more loving and compassionate or recognizing that your love and compassion is only harming a person who cannot love without hurt. In either case you will feel more authentic and act in your long-term best interests. The emotional system is self-correcting, if you don't short-circuit it with blame, which is the motivation to diagnose.


A Different Twist

Here's an interesting twist... My husband (H) and I saw our second therapist (T) for about 6 months, after H was arrested for a second and final time for dom violence. During our sessions, T generally asked probing questions and watched us argue. Many sessions began with us on good terms, and ended with us embattled, again.

Finally, H refused to return. I kept our appt alone, and asked T, "What IS this? H's inability to ever admit he's wrong, his need to pretend that he's superior???" T said, “H has narcissistic tendencies (NT)." I had to have that explained to me, as I am not an expert in this area. T advised that I was quite healthy mentally, a touch N and a touch OCD, but nothing unhealthy. T went on to say that people with NT or NPD never change, that T's own father had NT, that T could not imagine why H's 1st wife had stayed with him all those years until she died, unless she needed a meal ticket, but 'No. He couldn't tell me what to do.', AND 'No, I didn't need any more help from him. I could call for an appt as needed.'

The NT diagnosis was dumped in my lap, and any further assistance in dealing with it was denied. Rather than a financial motivation, T seemed to be motivated by issues around his NT dad. He appeared to be determined to prompt me to leave H, as his mother had not.

Two years later, I am still dealing with H. I see a different T, alone. Your pity-contempt-guilt-pity pendulum swings sound familiar. I will read all I can find about the compassionate approach. So far, I have determined is that H has three needs: food (limited to foods he ate as a child), sleep, and fun. His experience of "love" is a warm feeling toward someone who is meeting those needs. Work, as required, is tolerated. H regards the needs of others, which compete for time and resources with is own needs, as problems. He is like a baby in many respects, and am like his mommy, a relationship in which no positive feedback is received from him, but a baby doesn't cry (complain, berate) if his three needs are met. It is quite strange, being aware that I am able to understand him now, but he will never understand me.

Living with someone who is so crazy is extremely stressful. The threat of physical violence is no longer a factor, as H is aware that a third arrest means prison. He maintains that being arrested for bending someone backwards over a counter with his hands around her neck, "wasn't strangling her," he was "holding her down by the neck." and "she got him arrested." “It was all her fault, because she wouldn’t shut up.” This is just to give you a taste of the thinking involved. Note that this man holds a responsible job and is a faithful spouse. To the outside world, he appears to be just fine.

Eventually, one learns that there is no real point in trying to reach consensus, and shutting up is the best strategy, rather than waste time and court stress. Communication as equals about anything directly related to the person is risky, as he may lose touch with reality very rapidly. All I want to do is live my life without experiencing lethal levels of cortisol. My health is suffering. H’s 1st wife lived a life affected by depression and ending in cancer. Depression has plagued me during this marriage and I was recently diagnosed with very early breast cancer. This is a very difficult situation. Leaving is not the preferred solution at this time. I hope that the information found here will be helpful.


The stress you are

The stress you are experiencing is typical of walking on eggshells. Unfortunately, the pendulum of pain establishes its own equilibrium, which is why it can go on for 30 years or more. You must use whatever leverage you have with him – including leaving – to get him to awaken the compassionate, self-healing part of his temperament. See if he will take the Walking on Eggshells Quiz: http://compassionpower.com/Eggshells/


Your spouse may have real issues

What if your spouse has real issues? My better half had a serious one related to deep-rooted insecurities. It drove both of us crazy and we broke up.


Compassion

Were your wife's "deep-rooted insecurities" diagnosed by a professional who carefully examined and tested her?

Except in cases of one-way abuse, the failure of relationships is due more to failure of compassion than emotional disorders.

Best wishes


Spouse is resentful

I am so glad I found you Dr. Stosny, because everything you have written has happened to me. We started psychotherapy well over a year ago - my intention was to just get some help with the way we communicated. My husband has the tendency to withdraw and it has been cyclical throughout our marriage, with up and down periods of moods/behavior. During an extremely hard period of time a couple years ago - we each turned to talking to someone of the opposite sex - nothing physical and stopped short of being an emotional affair - I would categorize it more as a fun distraction from outside stresses. We both had lied to eachother about it, but I found out about his and came clean about mine in therapy. I wanted no more lies so we could put it all behind us and come back to the marriage. And for awhile it was going in that direction. But continued therapy provoked so much resentment, as well as, diagnosis of ADD and depression for him and anxiety for me triggered by stress. I have been accused of being crazy by him although my fault tends to lie in asking him more than 2 questions at a time which he says is me "coming after him". Our communication styles are very different, but I still believe we can find a happy medium for this. He just gives up if things aren't consistent. If he approaches me in a new way and doesn't get the response he wants, he won't keep trying the new way when consistency is what would make it work.

Anyways, what has happened now is that he has said that therapy has helped him to see that I am to blame for all the problems in our marriage and it's me that has to change. I am at the stage where he has withdrawn affection and intimacy, which was actually always a strong part of our marriage. There are glimpses of it, but he is definitely stonewalling. It's like all the control is in his court now - he gets to determine when and if he feels like coming back into the marriage based on the changes in MY behavior. I have backed off and given him space, because the whole year spent talking about our marriage has been a waste and incredibly stressful and I need to get back to being myself and being happy again. However, I cannot live like a roommate with my husband - I want a marriage again! I think he is feeling like I am treating him better because he is withholding affection, but I don't want to get into that pattern! We have young kids and I really want to save this marriage and make it better than it was. I do not want to go back to therapy (boy I wish I could get all that money back!). Is there any hope when you get to this stage for turning it around? How can he understand what he is doing and how it is hurting us? I feel like the only thing I can do is file for divorce to give him a jolt so he will wake up, but how sad is that?


Standoff

It sounds like you're in a blame standoff, in which no one is willing to shift to improve, appreciate, connect, or protect. The best way out is for both of you to decide to be the best partner you can be, even if the other doesn't reciprocate. Try that for 30 days and see if it breaks the cycle. Send an email to compassionpower@compassionpower.com, and we'll send you a checklist on being the best partner you can be, according to your own standards.


Actually I have made the switch

Thank you for replying. Two weeks ago when I found your information online (after doing a search for "when therapy doesn't work!), I made the switch to not blaming or getting angry anymore and trying to listen better and appreciate. It's very hard because I seem to have become the "trigger" for his irritability and resentment. And I believe he thinks my treating him in this new way is an underlying manipulation or that I am just trying to "sell myself" to him. I guess consistency from me is needed and I will follow your checklist. But the question I have is can someone who is not normally very compassionate or empathetic, and has typically put his needs and wants first, become that way towards me? I feel like he thinks it would almost be a weakness for him to do this.


You can learn to be compassionate

It's possible that he can become a bit more compassionate than he was when you were forming your emotional bonds. He likes himself better when compassionate, even though resentment is more familiar. It's not as likely that he can make the change without intervention. Resentment is a difficult habit to break. But you have to be the partner you want to be regardless. If you do that and still cannot feel his compassion, you will follow your core value out of the marriage.


What kind of intervention?

Could you please clarify what you mean by intervention? As psychotherapy went awry, are you meaning some other form of therapy? In this type of situation, would reading your books be enough to help him break through the resentment or is something else needed? (unfortunately we don't live in the state where your boot camps are).


Try it

You can give reading the books a try. Look at: http://compassionpower.com/angermanagementgetparter.php

Best wishes


I wish I knew this sooner.

I was young and lost relationships because they were quick to judge and taught me to be also. Now I'm older, and in need of a therapist to undo all the damage from years of therapy telling me to be selfish "Entitlement Without Responsibility" and let go, move on and be independent. I am good at that what I needed was someone like you to practice compassion. Maybe I would have felt it better to leave but not without my therapists support in learning compassion. (it comes naturally for me) they had me going against my own heart. So I never gave up, but I got hurt because I had no support. All I knew was love. Somehow that was looked down on. I don't want to be co-dependent, I know how to set boundaries for myself, speak for myself and let others come to their own conclusions about growth. I resent being lumped into these catagories all these years.

I am afraid to go to therapy again. Do you know of anyone? Is there any way I can get a recommendation?


email

If you email compassionpower@compassionpower.com, we might have an associate in your area.


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