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Atheism is said to pose a major threat to morality. Some theists claim that disbelief leads to moral relativism and undermines a major factor motivating prosocial behavior. Recent research can help us see what is true and false about these anxieties.

These issues have special resonance in the United States. A new survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life reveals that 92% of Americans believe in some kind of god. Other research suggests that atheists are among the least trusted minority groups. Consider a recent paper in the American Sociological Review by Minnesota researchers Penny Edgell, Joseph Gerteis, and Douglas Hartmann. They report that 39.6% of people polled say that atheist do “not at all agree with my vision of American Society.” This score is higher than any other group by a considerable margin. A 2007 Gallup poll shows that 53% of Americans would not vote for an atheist president, and another Gallup poll suggests that 84% of Americans think the nation is not ready for an atheist in the White House. The major source of concern inmorality. Many people worry that the faithless lack a moral rudder. Without God, morality loses its foundation.

Is this concern really justified? Many philosophers will say it is not. It has been a common philosophical refrain since Plato wrote his dialogue the Euthyphro, which takes up the topic of piety, that morality cannot depend on divine decree. Suppose “good” just meant “commanded by God”; it would follow that “God is good” means only that “God does what he commands,” which is faint praise. Belief in a benevolent God is substantive only if one believes that God acts in accordance with some independent moral standard. On this view, even theists should accept that morality is independent of religion. But what standard could do the trick? There have been two thousand years of work by philosophers (mostly theists) trying to answer this question. The two most famous answers owe to John Stuart Mill and Immanual Kant. Very roughly, Mill says that happiness is intrinsically good, so we should try to maximize happiness, and Kant says that it is rational to recognize the common dignity of all people, and irrational to pursue actions that would undermine our own interests if others were to act similarly.

Research suggests that the independence of morality and religion is actually widely recognized outside of academic philosophy, even among staunch theists. For example, developmental psychologist Larry Nucci interviewed highly religious children from a wide range of backgrounds (including Catholics, Mennonites, and Orthodox Jews), and he found that they were overwhelmingly likely to judge that stealing would be wrong even if God were to say that stealing is permissible (see his Education in the Moral Domain). The aforementioned Pew study also reveals that fewer than a third of Americans cite religion as the major source of their moral values, and more than half claim that practical experience and common sense are the major source.

The independence of morality and religion can also be characterized in evolutionary terms. Under the influence of Herbert Spencer’s Social Darwinism, it was once believed that evolution leads to selfishness, but this supposition was rejected decades ago. Evolutionists now think we evolved to be altruistic, because helping others can increase fitness (helping kin spreads our genes and helping strangers promotes beneficial reciprocity and cooperation). These evolutionary models enjoy some psychological support. Felix Warneken and Michael Tomasello have shown that 14 month-old infants exhibit helpful behavior, even in the absence of reward. And even if altuism were not innate, it might be a precondition on stable society, so it might emerge inevitably through the course of “cultural evolution.” A moral code of some kind is likely to emerge regardless of religious outlook. Indeed, the moral values of major religions may be products of cultural evolution. Of course, cultural evolution does not guarantee that every society will be peaceful or egalitarian. War and hierarchy seem to be features of most social systems, whether religiously grounded or not.

So far, all this is good news with respect to the atheist threat. But there may be some truth to the anxieties mentioned at the outset. Atheists may be more prone to relativism and, perhaps, less prone to acting in accordance with widespread moral norms.

Let’s begin with relativism. The Pew study found atheists are much less likely than theists to believe that there are “absolute standards of right and wrong.” 58% of atheists believe in such standards, as compared to 63% of Jews, 72% of Moslems, 78% of Catholics, and 81% of Protestants. These findings are consistent with a new paper by Princeton social psychologists Geoffrey Goodwin and John Darley. The authors found that grounding one’s ethical beliefs in the notion of a divine being predicts greater moral objectivism, and it was the only variable to do so. It must be noted that the majority of atheists are not relativists, but these studies do suggest that atheists are more prone to relativism than those who attribute morality to God.

What about moral motivation? A recent book by Arthur Brooks, called Who Really Cares, has sparked controversy by arguing that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts. Brooks also examines handouts to homeless people, donations of blood, and other measures of charitable giving. Even when he controls for income and excludes donations to religious causes, religious people appear more generous than atheists. For example, Brooks shows that families in South Dakota, a highly religious state, give the same amount of money to charities as families in irreligious San Francisco, even though people in San Francisco earn almost twice as much.

Admittedly, there are some serious problems with Brooks’ research. First, he relies on survey data and theists may be more inclined to report charitable efforts. Second, he does not carefully control for cost of living. The average price of a home in California is more than 2.5 times higher than the average home cost in South Dakota. Third, Brooks’ own data show that atheists are much more likely to support government programs that give to the needy, and they are more likely to favor tax increases to pay for such programs, so the differences in charity may reflect a preference for centralized strategies rather than relying on what George Herbert Walker Bush called “a thousand points of light.” Finally, a reply to Brooks in Scientific American cites a study by Gregory S. Paul, which documents an inverse correlation between religiosity and social health. For example, religious communities have higher homicide rates. Thus, it may not turn out to be the case that religious people are more moral across the board.

Still, the atheists who denounce Brooks may protesteth too much. Theists do seem to make more personal contributions to charity, and this pattern should not be ignored. It is not as if atheists are against such contributions; they just do it less often. This suggests that there is something about religion that promotes giving, and it would be useful to figure out what that is.

Does atheism promote relativism and stinginess? Preliminary evidence suggests that the answer might be yes, at least to some degree. Is this a serious concern? Perhaps not. With respect to relativism, the atheist might say that false beliefs in moral absolutes are a recipe for trouble. Perhaps relativism could increase tolerance and international understanding. The challenge for the relativist is to identify constraints on tolerance. This is a place where some philosophy might come in handy, since philosophers have spent many centuries trying to identify secular foundations for morality. What about stinginess? Here one factor may have to do with the fact that religious institutions create conditions that promote charity. Religious institutions have pledge drives, run soup kitchens, pass around donation cups, raise awareness, and provide weekly reminders to give. They also create social pressure to be charitable, and they draw attention to self-sacrificing role models. Atheists need to work at creating an infrastructure that is conducive to charity. One good thing about the Brooks book is that it may make atheists conclude that they need to do more in order to overcome the accusation of being moral monsters. There is no reason to think that theological beliefs are a precondition for moral motivation—even theists admit that their own moral values and actions do not depend on God. But atheism typically involves a departure from institutions that grease the motivational gears, and that means atheists might want to find alternative institutional mechanisms for facilitating prosocial behavior.

The upshot is that atheism does not undermine morality, but atheists’ conception of morality may depart from traditional theistic conceptions. Rather than condemning atheism, we might work to build institutions that promote charity more effectively among those who do not participate in organized religion, and we might try to develop secular foundations for morality to help guide people who do not consider God to be the source of moral rules. Both these efforts would serve atheists and theists alike.

Comments

Post hoc, ergo ...

Surely it's far too much of a leap to conclude that atheism causes a relativist view of morality just because more atheists hold relativist views.

It seems more likely that both positions are "caused" by the higher intelligence and greater education that also correlate with atheism.


Demonstrate that...

Keith:

Would you kindly provide references to the research that you state shows atheists to be of higher intelligence and greater education? That would make an interesting read.

Thanks!

Blessings,
Michael


Studies

A little late, and I hate to quote Wikipedia, but am too lazy to dig deeper. See article there on Atheism. I quote part of that:

Frank Sulloway of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Michael Shermer of California State University conducted a study which found in their polling sample of "credentialed" U.S. adults (12% had Ph.Ds and 62% were college graduates) 64% believed in God, and there was a correlation indicating that religious conviction diminished with education level.[102] An inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence has been found by 39 studies carried out between 1927 and 2002, according to an article in Mensa Magazine.[103] These findings broadly agree with a 1958 statistical meta-analysis by Professor Michael Argyle of the University of Oxford. He analyzed seven research studies that had investigated correlation between attitude to religion and measured intelligence among school and college students from the U.S.


Atheophobia

Even though Prinz mentions in passing that the conclusions driven by the Pew Report are based on SURVEYS, and even admits to the dubious implication of this approach, he does not reject the report (as he should) but rather STILL makes his own conclusions as if the report were factual. He even takes the opportunity to dish advice for atheists that they should fear their image ["Atheists need to work at creating an infrastructure that is conducive to charity. One good thing about the Brooks book is that it may make atheists conclude that they need to do more in order to overcome the accusation of being moral monsters.]

Hmmmm....no thank you. Atheists are not responsible for the superstitions and prejudices of theists. Let the atheiophobes change THEIR attitude. Isn't understanding/tolerance a Christian virtue?

Not to mention this article has already reached an unwarranted position before the first word was penned: that 'charity' and 'unselfishness' are the highest moral qualities for humans. That presumption also requires summary rejection.

And as for the Pew study and all others that rely on what people SAY they believe or do: please remember that for 50 years researchers have proven over and over again that people lie through their teeth about religion. When actual behavior (real church attendance) was measured against surveys that show people SAY they attend church regularly, the difference (24% actual, 60% claimed) makes the case that any questionnaire about religion is useless and worse than useless.

John Donohue
Pasadena, CA


Agreed

There is also evidence to suggest that those who say they are religious and those who attend church in America are actually atheist and fear their "coming out" as they are likely to be ostracised by their families and churches.
Not a very Christian attitude but it does go some way to explaining why 60% of people CLAIM to be religious when in reality, they do not believe in a big ghostly entity in the sky.
Why hasn't an opinion poll been undertaken to ask those who say they are religious who they think the bible was written by? Man or God?
Quiet clearly it was written by man, and if you take into account St Paul being a huge bigot and masongist, who wants to believe it anyway?

God and religion are man-made constructs. I'm happy to believe that, and I've never killed anyone or stolen anything.


The fly in the ointment...

Technically, Buddhists are atheists, as they do not believe in God or a Godhead, but, rather the inherent divinity in man with which we have, in our ignorance, lost touch.

That said, the strictures and scriptures of the Buddhist canon lay out a pretty high standard for morality and codes of conduct.

With 25% of Americans claiming some affiliation with Buddhism, either as practioners or tourists, I'd say that leaves us in pretty good shape.

Blessings,
Michael


Atheist responsiblity for a freer morality

I think true morality comes from the willingness to challenge one's own impulses and prejudices. Morality doesn't have to be, and shouldn't be, pure asceticism, but it does involve a measure of adjusting one's actions so that they benefit a larger good, whether this good be absolute or utilitarian.

As an atheist, I believe that the conceptions of morality prescribed by religious traditions don't always do this. I think that right and wrong is not set in (Ten Commandment tablet) stone but must be flexible to accomodate changing circumstances and cultural developments that the writers of early religious traditions could not have considered. This might be the atheist tendency towards "relativism" that Prinz discussed in his post, but a more relativistic position on morality is exactly what I value.

But atheists need to recognize that rigidity and narrow-mindedness is by no means monopolized by religious people. Many people believe, for example, regardless of their religious tradition, that the most important goal in life is to be economically successful. As work hours drive families apart, economic wastefulness erodes the environment, and international corporate practices perpetuate social inequality, this may need to be reconsidered. I'm not arguing that economic ambition is necessarily immoral. But I think that every individual, especially one who is freed from the potentially tyrannical infrastructure of religious institutions, needs to consider what alternative infrastructures enslave them. In order to be moral, an individual must be willing to at least question, if not challenge, their own tendency toward ambition.

Accordingly, an atheist must question his tendency to reject insights from religious sources. In response to Mr. Donahue's post above, religious people's greater involvement in charity and their esteem of "unselfishness," is something to be valued and emulated by the nonreligious, especially in a society that tends toward the personal ambition I mentioned above. Too often I see atheists who completely dismiss religion because they believe it is senseless and blind. In doing this, atheists are displaying a rigidity which, as atheists, it is their responsibility to reject.


Is stating the truth "rigid"?

People keep posting surveys which are patently absurd (25% of Americans Buddhists) but reacting to them as if they mean something!

Well okay I guess that Buddhist daydream might mean something: Christians may have fallen out of first place in the race to be most self delusional.

Also, rather than respond to Gillian's entire post I'll just counter the last idea: "Too often I see atheists who completely dismiss religion because they believe it is senseless and blind. In doing this, atheists are displaying a rigidity which, as atheists, it is their responsibility to reject."

Hmm... does it make any difference one way or the other if religion IS senseless and blind? What if it IS senseless and blind? Would you still characterize someone as rigid for dismissing it and continue to say that they should dutifully reject their impulse to dismiss?

John Donohue


You misread...

John:

Did I say 25% of Americans were Buddhists? No. I said 25% percent of Americans state some affiliation with Buddhism and/or, what would likely be construed as Buddhist practices, such as meditation.

Blessings,
Michael


Wow...

I had the dubious pleasure of reading through your websites.

It's really unfortunate how your positionality and outrage blind you to considering anything except your own opinion or as you refer to it truth.

May I quote you on truth?...

"When you place the word “Truth” in the title of your thesis, when you travel the world as a passionate advocate for “the Truth” on the issue...with the justification that it is the “Truth,” there are certain meta-positions possible:

1) You have received a mystical revelation of the Truth from a Higher Power and you are spreading its Gospel, asking people to believe you based on faith;

2) You have established the validated, repeatable proof of the issue in objective reality through reason (facts and logic) and you are demonstrating the broad, detailed logic chain first to a 'close-in peer group', then to a 'broadly diverse unconnected peer group', as well as to a blind statistical analysis, persuading these other groups of professional rationals to vet it thoroughly and take their best shot at making you wrong as a welcome part of enriching the theory;

3) You are a true believer in a position, you have a few shreds of possibly true points that seem to support it, you puff them up with unsubstantiated, terrifying projections and you exploit them sensationally without proof to build a bandwagon of activism for your position. This is propaganda."

Your truth does not even begin to stand up to the rigor of the very standards that you set. Don't you find that kind of curious?

Further, animals don't have rights?, global warming is a myth?, because a Pulitzer Prize winning author reshaped a few facts of his personal history he exhibits "disassociation with reality, narcissism, and irrational behavior"? And how can Buddhists be "self delusional" if they don't have a self?

With all due respect, your (again, quoting) "vitriol" certainly shines through in your opinions and your positions.

It's pretty clear also that if you had a God it'd be Ayn Rand, but since you have (quoting) "no advanced degree, nor a university diploma of any kind" you probably haven't read her, have you?

You're a scary, angry guy, dude. Get some help.


Wow.......excellent rebuttal

The main problem I see in religious bigotry and zeal is the unsubstantiated belief that those of a particular bent will follow someone "just because they say you should" with no foundation in any truth.

The only truth is: there is so many thruthes out there as there are 6 billion people on the planet. Not even Christians can agree on the same "truth" so I thank you for your critique of another religious zealot and for bringing his sanctimonious rantings to light.

Many thanks.
Darren


sorry you can't handle justified anger

anonymous initiated discussion of elements of my websites, not me. I will respond briefly although continued debate on my content is not appropriate here. I will also not hit back in kind against his personal remarks about me.

Saying I claim "Global Warming is a Myth" is a sloppy characterization of my site on that subject, a typical bait and switch error. Sorry he/she fell into that trap. I invite any others to challenge my "Myths of Global Warming" however. But not on this page, that is not appropriate.

http://earthintime.com

As for Joseph Ellis, my characterization is mild for what he did. I'm thinking of amp-ing it up, especially since he has gotten away clean as a whistle.

Anonymous offers zero rebuttal to any of my claims on my site, yet simply declares "Your truth does not even begin to stand up to the rigor of the very standards that you set." This is anonymous begging an audience to 'go by faith' that he/she can factually refute anything I wrote. That approach holds no water.

My excoriation of Al Gore on the Kenya situation at the bottom of the movie review is my angriest statement. I stand by it. Once one knows the facts of Mr. Gore's perfidy, how could anyone justify being anything less than outrageously furious?

John Donohue
jrdonohue.com


Are they? Or do they just claim they are?

Michael, I did not misread you, but I did re-interpret you. However, you misread YOURSELF since you

1) now claim you said "and/or, what would likely be construed as Buddhist practices, such as meditation." which is not in your original post; and
2) left out that you concluded "I'd say that leaves us in pretty good shape."

Let me try again:

If a survey reports that "25% of Americans claiming some affiliation with Buddhism, either as practioners or tourists" [i don't understand that 'tourist' thing, by the way] then that only proves one thing: That 25% of Americans claim to have some affiliation with Buddhism, either as practioners or tourists. It proves nothing about their inner life, religious practices, living by the principles of Buddhism, being moral, etc. Nothing.

But then you add "I'd say that leaves us in pretty good shape". Who is the "us"? Buddhists? The American people? I would make the case that if it were determined that 25% of the population were indeed Buddhists or highly like Buddhists, that that would 'leave us in sad shape' since I have a negative opinion about religious practice and thinking. You could then argue that with me.

But first, my question to you is: are you saying "...that leaves us in pretty good shape" is because a) you consider the survey claim DOES substantiate behavior and you are happy 25% of us are Buddhists/Buddha-like; or b) something on the order of "well, it is enough that 25% SAY they are Buddhists/Buddhist-like. That is a good thing in itself and it does not matter if they actually ARE."

John Donohue


And, thus, misinterpreted...

John:

I have no intention of "arguing" anything with you, as you have demonstated that eventuality to be arduous to the point of pointless.

What you've done is re-interpret my statements to fit the needs of your argument, and, in doing so, engendered a gross and global misinterpretation of those statements.

Regrettably, your lack of understanding of the subject matter -- Buddhism is not a religion, it is a philosophy -- along with the obvious inflexibility of your general position, eschew anything that might resemble a reasonable and cooperative interchange.

That said, thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Michael


What's good again i've forgotten?

People can give so as to be interpreted as givers or good people. People can do good things and be bad people.People can do bad things for a greater good.People can be good and turn bad via depression.People can be bad and turn good after being treated for their depression. Sincerely, David Petropoulos


research please

In response to the article, the author forgot to do some research. Aside from Buddhism, there are other groups that encompass moral and social values (including charity) without worshipping the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There’s the Ethical Humanist Society that is just down the street from my work. According to their website “The Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago is a democratic fellowship and spiritual home for those who seek a rational, compassionate philosophy of life without regard to belief or nonbelief in a supreme being.” From what I read, they welcome all people from all different religions. I haven’t been there myself, but I’m not opposed to broadening my horizons despite being atheist. ;)


This is bull! god is the

This is bull! god is the light in our rechargeable flashlight. We should be happy that there are people in our world belive in him. i think that anyone who doesn't belive in Jesus isn't worthy of his scripture. If we qall band together we can create a spiritual army that can rule the heavens and the earth. god bless you all with all trhe love and freedom of my beating heart.

Go Panthers!


Why the relativism with theists?

Is it not very surprising that only 78% of Catholics (and about that for most theists) believe there is an objective morality out there? What could the other 22% be thinking? I must be misunderstanding traditional religion, but surely if they believe in some version of a deity they should also think that the deity would know what one ought to do.

If one is worried about the 42% of atheists being wrong about their meta-ethics, I think they should be more worried about those 22% (which as a number in the population is far greater).


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